Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/31/1994 05:00 PM House O&G

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  SB 151 - OIL & GAS EXPLORATION INCENTIVE CREDITS                             
                                                                               
  KEN BOYD, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF OIL & GAS, DEPARTMENT                 
  OF NATURAL RESOURCES (DNR), testified via Anchorage that SB
  151 extends a program that has existed on state lands for                    
  ten years.  He said though the exploration incentives                        
  program already exists in Title 38, the state is able to                     
  grant exploration incentive credits on wells that are                        
  determined by the commissioner of the Department of Natural                  
  Resources to (indiscernible).  He explained that during the                  
  review process for a sale area, a confidential briefing is                   
  given to the commissioner of DNR.  At that time a petroleum                  
  economist, after having looked at all the terms and                          
  conditions, recommends to the commissioner the bonus                         
  payment, the terms of the lease and among other things,                      
  exploration incentive credits.  He stated the purpose of                     
  exploration incentive credits is to get wells drilled                        
  earlier than requested by the terms of the lease.  In                        
  exchange for that, the state agrees to a certain percentage                  
  of the well cost.  He said that those terms and conditions                   
  vary from lease sale to lease sale, but that  more recently                  
  the terms have generally been in the range of 15 to 20                       
  percent of the cost of certain wells.                                        
                                                                               
  MR. BOYD said SB 151 will expand the program to nonstate                     
  lands, but there are certain differences from the existing                   
  program.  He stated the first difference occurs on page two,                 
  line five.  He indicated the difference is that under                        
  current statute, there is a slightly narrower definition of                  
  the taxes for which the exploration incentive might be                       
  applied and  they are mostly severance taxes.  He said SB
  151 has a broader tax statute that includes other kinds of                   
  taxes.  He stated the reason for that is the entities,                       
  Native corporations for example, may not have any lease                      
  holding in the state.  He explained they may have old                        
  leases, they may not pay rents or royalties, or they may not                 
  have any bonus payments to pay, so the state broadened the                   
  tax statute to give them the opportunity to apply their                      
  credits.  He referred to page two, lines 12 through 14 as                    
  having a time cap.                                                           
                                                                               
  MR. BOYD explained the intent of the bill, as it was                         
  originally written, was to have the program for ten years.                   
  He stated the bill passed the Senate in 1993 which, of                       
  course, would have been ten years, but now that it is 1994,                  
  the committee may wish to consider the date being moved to                   
  2004.  He explained that SB 151 would treat the data                         
  somewhat differently (page two, lines 19 through 29).  He                    
  said the data that is derived from any of the test,                          
  stratigraphic, or exploratory wells are held for 24 months                   
  and then are released to the public.  He explained that                      
  under current statute, there is a two year period of                         
  confidentiality, but at the end of that period, if wells are                 
  meeting certain tests and conditions, the confidentiality                    
  period may be extended for a longer time.  He stated  the                    
  company has the option to do that.  He said that with SB
  151, at the end of 25 months the well would be made public.                  
  He referred to page three, line two, explaining that SB 151                  
  reduces the cap to 25 percent, the maximum the state will be                 
  willing to allow as an exploration incentive credit on                       
  nonstate lands.  He said, while the state believes that it                   
  receives a benefit or potential benefit from participating                   
  in these wells on nonstate land, the state believes the real                 
  benefit it will obtain is in getting the data on the                         
  nonstate lands.  He indicated that the state feels this cap                  
  is a reasonable amount to allow.  He said in some cases the                  
  state will always get some severance taxes and some other                    
  payments, but that it usually does not get the bulk of the                   
  royalties. He explained what the state is really looking for                 
  in this program is information.  He said that if one looks                   
  at a map of the state of Alaska, especially at the interior                  
  basins, it is a hodge podge of ownership.  There are state                   
  lands that are mixed with federal lands which are intermixed                 
  with private lands, quite often Native land.  He said that                   
  if a well is drilled on state land, then the state gets the                  
  data; if the well is drilled on nonstate lands, it does not                  
  always get the data;  and if the well is drilled on private                  
  lands, the state does not have a right to the data.  He                      
  testified that in certain cases determined by the DNR                        
  commissioner, the state may wish to have the information                     
  that comes from a privately drilled well, because it may be                  
  next to state lands and could provide valuable information                   
  for the exploration of adjacent state lands.  He stated that                 
  the program under SB 151 is not mandatory.  The commissioner                 
  has the discretion to not accept any program or any offers                   
  made to him or her.  Mr. Boyd referred to page three, line                   
  six, section (f), and stated that the $50,000,000 in total                   
  is meant to be over a period of ten years.  He said these                    
  terms are different than the exploration incentive credit                    
  program that exists now, and under current statute there is                  
  no time limit or cap on the program.  He indicated that the                  
  rest of the provisions of the bill were the same as current                  
  statute.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 132                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN asked the committee members if they wished to                 
  address either of the areas that Mr. Boyd mentioned, either                  
  page 2, line 14 to change the July 1, 2003, program date to                  
  2004 to comply with the ten year program that was                            
  envisioned, or page three, line nine regarding the                           
  $50,000,000 cap.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 149                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS made a motion to amend page two,                   
  line 14 to read 2004.                                                        
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT seconded the motion.                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN indicated for the record that he did not                      
  believe the date change amendment was a recommendation by                    
  DNR, he thought it was pointing out fact.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 166                                                                   
                                                                               
  BECKY GAY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL,                 
  testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  She thanked                    
  the committee for the opportunity to testify in support of                   
  SB 151.  She stated when most people think of oil                            
  development, they think of development, production, or                       
  construction, but exploration is actually the lifeblood of                   
  the oil and gas industry.  She stated the industry has high                  
  upfront costs and risks.  She indicated that the Resource                    
  Development Council (RDC) believes that SB 151 will give a                   
  true incentive to explore Alaska lands, including nonstate                   
  lands.  She said there is so much acreage off limits or not                  
  offered in Alaska, that the RDC feels this is a definite                     
  step forward.  She stated SB 151 will augment and broaden                    
  the scope of the present leasing system, and it will                         
  encourage new players, both large and small, in exploration.                 
  She said SB 151 will encourage prospecting for smaller,                      
  local targets, such as village natural gas opportunities,                    
  which would help Alaska.  She indicated that the state will                  
  still receive revenues, particularly severance taxes, on any                 
  lands that are nonstate, so she felt there was a definite                    
  incentive for the state to move forward on SB 151.  She said                 
  SB 151 will enhance the value of nearby sate lands, even if                  
  those lands are not being explored at that moment and it                     
  will maximize the odds of discovery since it does apply to                   
  all of the aforementioned lands.  She felt that SB 151 was a                 
  long-term economic strategy for a more stable resource                       
  climate and it would help Alaska to become less dependent                    
  upon mega-projects and a less risky, more sound way to                       
  proceed with oil and gas.  She stated  the RDC supports SB
  151 as written, especially in light of the judicial rulings                  
  on oil and gas lease sales. She said the RDC believes SB 151                 
  would send a clear signal that oil and gas is still viewed                   
  by the administration and the legislature as a part of                       
  Alaska's long-term economic future.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 197                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN commented that the committee had not heard                    
  from village or regional corporations, possibly due to                       
  problems with arriving by plane into Juneau, although he did                 
  not know if those groups were planning to testify.  He                       
  stated there was some discussion in 1993 about the                           
  difference in the amount of credit between state and                         
  nonstate property.  He said the village corporations and                     
  regional corporations had expressed some concern about that.                 
  He asked Mr. Boyd if he had heard anything recently about                    
  that issue.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 209                                                                   
                                                                               
  KEN BOYD stated he had not heard anything recently on that                   
  issue.  He said,  he did know that the DNR commissioner had                  
  met with representatives from Native organizations and                       
  explained to them that the state believes the benefit                        
  derived to the state is in proportion to the amount of money                 
  that it is willing to credit.  He stated that, even though                   
  the cap on state land under existing statute is 50 percent,                  
  in the last six or seven lease sales none of the incentive                   
  credits offered have been above 20 percent.  He said that                    
  only one credit in state history has been offered at 30                      
  percent.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 220                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN indicated he would accept a motion to move SB
  151 out of committee with individual recommendations.                        
                                                                               
  Number 224                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT made a motion that the committee move SB
  151 as amended by the House Oil and Gas Committee to House                   
  Judiciary, the next committee of referral.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 226                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE SITTON seconded the motion.  There were                   
  no objections.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 228                                                                   

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